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ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 4 days ago
I’ve been saying this for a decade… I refuse to own an internet connected car…it’s only a matter of time before someone gets into Tesla’s system and makes every Tesla on the planet turn left…
setVeryLoud(true);@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Are all smartphones iPhones to you?
If not, why are all connected cars Teslas to you? Are all electric cars that are Teslas to you, too?
Genuine question, I don’t know if you genuinely think only Tesla is exposed to this problem or if you’re using the word Tesla as a generic brand for any modern car equipped with a connected infotainment system.
ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 2 days ago
I’m calling out Tesla because they’ve gone and made themselves SO HATED that they’re lkely going to be the first target for hackers…
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ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
It’s not just Tesla though, it’s all brands and regard less of whether it’s and ICE/PHEV or BEV.
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grue@lemmy.world 4 days ago
and regardless of whether it’s an ICE/PHEV or BEV.
The only important difference is that older, unconnected ICE cars exist, while older, unconnected EVs don’t. It annoys me that I can’t own an EV because of it.
ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 4 days ago
Tesla has the biggest “network” of connected vehicles, and are hated and despised by many so are a likely first target…
Though you’re right, and I won’t own any internet connected car, regardless of make, model, gender, or method of propulsion. Hell I don’t even drive an Automatic Transmission.
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db2@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Rip out the lojack and this becomes a non issue real quick.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 4 days ago
Rip out the lojack and this becomes a non issue real quick.
That is literally only one vector, so no, ripping it out doesn’t necessarily fix the problem (although it’s a very good idea).
The car itself is often collecting telemetry and reporting it back either via a live mobile link or when you get a service done.
mozillafoundation.org/…/privacy-nightmare-on-whee…
eff.org/…/how-figure-out-what-your-car-knows-abou…
"A car (and its app, if you installed one on your phone) can collect all sorts of data in the background with and without you realizing it. This in turn may be shared for a wide variety of purposes, including advertising and risk-assessment for insurance companies. The list of data collected is long and dependent on the car’s make, model, and trim. But if you look through any car maker’s privacy policy, you’ll see some trends:
Diagnostics data, sometimes referred to as “vehicle health data,” may be used internally for quality assurance, research, recall tracking, service issues, and similar unsurprising car-related purposes. This type of data may also be shared with dealers or repair companies for service. Location information may be collected for emergency services, mapping, and to catalog other environmental information about where a car is operated. Some cars may give you access to the vehicle’s location in the app. Some usage data may be shared or used internally for advertising. Your daily driving or car maintenance habits, alongside location data, is a valuable asset to the targeted advertising ecosystem. All of this data could be shared with law enforcement. Information about your driving habits, sometimes referred to as “Driving data” or “Driver behavior information,” may be shared with insurance companies and used to alter your premiums. This can range from odometer readings to braking and acceleration statistics and even data about what time of day you drive.. "
apnews.com/…/auto-car-privacy-3674ce59c9b30f2861d…
gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-become…
consumerreports.org/…/how-to-stop-your-car-from-c…
"If you drive a car made in the past five years, chances are it’s collecting reams of data about your driving—things like how quickly you accelerate, how hard you hit the brakes, and how fast you turn corners.
But many people don’t know that this data is being amassed—much less where it goes or how it’s used. "
US-centric links, but the info is broadly true for most western countries.
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db2@lemmy.world 4 days ago
A car that requires an app is only marginally less crazy than s WiFi-enabled toilet (which exist unfortunately). The owner becomes the lojack in that case.
Not much to do about data being downloaded during a trip to the dealer. Some few vehicles have an aftermarket option of replacing the oem computer with a “dumber” version that works like old car computers did, which is to say it only has what’s needed for function and general diagnostics. That won’t be useful for most of us unless popularity explodes for such devices and they expand the range.